Endfield?

Speaker 1: 0:00

Welcome to the Dunk City Podcast. Hey everybody, welcome back to the Dunk City Podcast brought to you by uscbasketballcom. This is a special podcast that we're doing because there is some potentially groundbreaking news coming out of USC these last couple days and they're mostly rumors, but those rumors are saying that USC head coach Andy Enfield might be taking the head coaching job at Southern Methodist University. So we decided to hop on the pod and discuss this rumor and talk about what direction USC basketball might be heading in. I'm your host, Chris Houston, here with Mark Backstrom. Mark, what do you think about these rumors that are flying fast and furious on the internet?

Speaker 2: 0:52

Well, first I was glad that I had client meetings for most of the day, just to keep me distracted and not feverishly monitoring Twitter.

Speaker 1: 0:59

That's the first thought. I did that for you.

Speaker 2: 1:01

Thank you, I appreciate that. Yeah, I outsourced that across the country. Worked out well, you know. The second thing is obviously just, you know, in this era of to be, you know, the precise jerk, not the portal, in immediate eligibility of transfers. You know roster can get, get stripped pretty quickly although at the same time the right can rebuild it at the same time.

Speaker 1: 1:30

Uh, as well, but you know yeah, since our last pod we not only lost kajani right, but we lost uh ozi sellers and kobe johnson, so that's three uh players that are leaving some bit of news. I've my sources tell me that Arrington Page, vincent Iwuchukwu, harrison Hornery and Brandon Gardner were all going to stay. Now I don't know if that changes. If Andy Enfield leaves, I guess it might depend upon who replaces him.

Speaker 1: 2:03

There's been a lot of grumblings on the message boards and on the internet and in the USC fan base and the community about Andy Enfield Not a whole lot of supporters which it kind of points to him being a victim of his own success. People have sort of memory hold where he took over the program from and where he's, and you know they don't really appreciate where he took over the program from and where he's and you know they don't really appreciate where he's brought it. I will say that if he does leave, this is probably the best way for him to leave, which is to take another job, versus having a messy firing with sort of all the recriminations and everything that happens out of that. So if he does leave at least, at least. Uh, we won't have that right.

Speaker 1: 2:46

So I think, um, we have to look at the andy enfield era as what I would say is is that for the first time usc basketball was taken seriously because of andy enfield. Before that there might have been a few cases of usc coming out and doing well, but because they couldn't sustain it, because they couldn't recruit, because they couldn't do some great things on the big stage with consistency like Andy Enfield did, they just were never taken seriously as a real West Coast power. But Andy Enfield turned USC into a Pac-12 power, a top three or four Pac-12 program. Usc into a Pac-12 power, a top three or four Pac-12 program, whereas before it had been probably just a middling Pac-12 program.

Speaker 2: 3:32

Yeah, I think that's very well said in terms of you know, taken seriously for the first time. I would also kind of posit this question Can you name any other coach in our adult lifetimes that has and this is a serious question, not a point? I'm just kind of wondering here any other USC head coach that has left the program in so much better shape than he inherited it, the program in so much better shape than he inherited it.

Speaker 1: 4:06

Well, just off the off, the Pete Carroll would be would be an example.

Speaker 2: 4:10

Sorry, USC basketball coach.

Speaker 1: 4:13

Oh sorry, usc basketball, I would say no, I think it's been a general steady, glide path down to mediocrity. Really, the program was, was pretty good. Was was than ucla at one point back in the 40s uh, back when my grandfather was playing for the team actually he was in the 30s, but um it, it was a pretty good program back then and pretty successful. But once john wooden got um, uh, really found his uh, his niche and really started hitting his stride, that was pretty much the end of USC and USC sort of it's kind of like being in the radius of a nuclear blast.

Speaker 1: 4:54

Right, usc basketball was in the radius of that blast from from Westwood and were, like you know, all the, all the the basketball energy was sucked up by UCLA All the attention, all the recruits, all the great players. So USC had the misfortune of that and that's where Andy Enfield was so effective in that he crawled us out of, he got us out from under the rubble and to the point where we were beating UCLA with regularity and beating them with regularity for recruits and just really establishing a foundation for recruits. So you know long-winded way of answering your question no, there's no other basketball coach who left the program better off, than he took it, than he found it, I mean maybe. I mean maybe George Raveling, but but we're talking about like.

Speaker 1: 5:52

We're talking about like really marginalia, you know.

Speaker 2: 5:55

Yeah, and, and this is not any fault of his own, but you know, just the way he had to depart was just kind of a shock to the program, and this is that's not a reflection on him as much as just the terms of his departure again, which have nothing to do with anything that he did.

Speaker 1: 6:11

Yeah. So I think you know when we do another pot, you know when all this becomes official. If it does, when it does, we'll do a you know more, more in-depth retrospective on the Andy Enfield era a bit of appreciation, so to speak. But for now I want to talk about what happens if this is true, if tomorrow or the next day it is announced that Andy Enfield is taking the job at SMU, what then happens? We've already gotten a report.

Speaker 1: 6:39

Well, first of all, let's just back up just a slight bit. This all started today with a tweet from uh pete thamel, reporter pete thamel, who said that uh enfield is a person of interest, and then this sort of started catching on. Um, the rumor started catching on legs. A couple of my sources said it was, that it was going to happen. Um, and a couple other sources were who I talked to are didn't know. Um, but uh, there seems to be a lot of smoke and where there's smoke there's usually fire. Now, potentially it doesn't mean it's a done deal, but maybe it could fall apart. But it seems like uh smu wants andy enfield and it seems like they got him. So if that's true, um, not only will, it's kind of like usc already had to with enfield, had to start from scratch this year or not from scratch, but really was going to have to go hard in the portal.

Speaker 1: 7:45

But now, whoever the new coach is, is probably going to lose this incoming recruiting class. There's already been a tweet from Eric Sonheimer, la Times reporter, brother of Michael Sonheimer of UCLA, and he said that he talked to Trent Perry and Trent Perry said that he would open up his recruitment if Andy Enfield left. So does that mean that USC couldn't whoever replaced Andy Enfield couldn't get Trent Perry to come? No, but you have to think that that connection there is important. I haven't heard about what's going to happen with the other two guys, but you would have to think that they would probably open up their recruitment as well, or at least there's a chance they would. So new coach comes in, the recruiting class is gone and we'll pretty much have to go out and hit the portal, which they would have had to do anyway, but even more so now. And then, from that point on, move on to the Big Ten. And it's how well can you do in the Big Ten with a coach who's been there just by the time he gets hired, what? Seven or eight months?

Speaker 2: 8:55

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 8:56

So your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2: 8:59

Yeah, you don't paint a pretty picture. I'll tell you that. I don't know if it's it's starting over from scratch. That depends on you know who comes in, but it's, uh, you know.

Speaker 1: 9:15

Clearly I don't think that that next season's team bears any resemblance to this season's team yeah, it's gonna be a whole new team, maybe a whole new, uh, staff program, all the above, um. So yeah, it's, it's going to be a whole new team, maybe a whole new staff program, all the above. So yeah, it's another. You know, sometimes people get, sometimes there's kind of a just the way this works out, it could be very beneficial for the program. Or it could be one of those things where we just don't you know we were on a. Or it could be one of those things where we just don't you know we were on a.

Speaker 1: 9:46

Whatever our path was, we were consistent with it, aside from this year, and it could be that it might take us a while to get back up on the trend line. So I think you know the calculation is by some fans is going to be that this first year in the Big Ten was probably going to be difficult regardless, and so they're really talking about the year after that. And that probably going to be difficult regardless, and so they're really talking about the year after that, and that's going to be the real question can the whoever comes in the year after that be as good as andy enfield would have been in the year after that if he had stayed?

Speaker 2: 10:17

yeah, um, yeah, yeah, geez, I didn't even consider that. Just all kinds of new variables for next season.

Speaker 1: 10:26

Sure, now there's some names being bandied about. The one name that everyone's talking about is Eric Musselman, the current coach at Arkansas. And Musselman is about 59 years old, so he's not too old, not too young, of course. He was in the NBA for a long time. He's only been a college coach the last eight years, at least a college head coach. He was the head coach at Nevada before coming to Arkansas. He did pretty well in Nevada. He won 24, 28, 110 games in four years, made a sweet 16 with them and then moved on to Arkansas and he's made a couple of lead eights and a sweet 16.

Speaker 1: 11:15

Did not have a great year this year, kind of the same kind of year that Andy Enfield had 16 and 17,. 6 and 12 in the Southeastern Conference, tied for 11th in the league. 6-12 in the Southeastern Conference, tied for 11th in the league. For the most part, I mean, I think when I look at the list of available head coaches, of the coaches that are active major conference head coaches, musselman probably makes the most sense because he's a West Coast guy. He also coached uh on the west coast he's. He went to the university of san diego for college. Uh, he comes out to surf, uh, on the west coast apparently, um and so I can't imagine it's. It's the greatest time living in fayetteville, arkansas, if you're a, if you're a California guy. So right now he's the name that people are bandying about. I don't know if it just makes too much sense. Sometimes these things make too much sense and they just don't work out but it seems like he's the one that makes the most sense based on his background.

Speaker 2: 12:24

Yeah, I mean to your, your point, aside from this last season, really solid record. Um, you know, I'm looking here 41 and 30 in conference at arkansas and 54 and 18 in conference at nevada. Um, you know, I don't know what happened last year, but not just in terms of total one loss, but in his five seasons at Arkansas probably was on the margins of making the tournament in 2020, before the tournament was canceled Elite eight the next two seasons and then the Sweet 16.

Speaker 2: 13:07

Nice, although apparently that's not enough for some people, but I don't know.

Speaker 1: 13:13

He hasn't made a Final Four yet, so yeah, let alone every five years. So I mean the thing is he has a couple reputations. One of his big reputations is for being able to get guys out of the transfer portal he's recruited. Since he's been at Arkansas I think he's had something like 26 transfers signed, including seven this past season.

Speaker 2: 13:37

Jeez Jeez.

Speaker 1: 13:38

There are 10 transfers on the current roster. So it's kind of a joke out there in Twitter land, because whenever there's a new player who is entering the portal, it's always like Arkansas is showing interest. It's like the sun rising in the east. It's like the sun rises in the east and Arkansas is offering a guy out of the transfer portal. It's like the sun rises in the east and Arkansas is offering a guy out of the transfer portal. Now, this kind of on the surface appears to be one of those things where it's like hey, this is great If he is hired. He's experienced at going out and working hard in the portal and so that means he can, you know, quickly stock the team up. Although I will say he's also used to being at arkansas where they were the nil packages. There I'm sure we're we're significantly higher than what usc has to offer.

Speaker 1: 14:31

Now I have been told that usc their nil this year is is much more competitive uh that it has been in recent years and was going to be much more competitive going into the portal, and this is sort of like uh, the football side of things has kind of been talked about, about how today lincoln riley said uh, it's uh.

Speaker 1: 14:51

I think I can't remember what exactly he said, but he just left the impression that there's like a night and day difference between what last year was for nil funds and what this year is for usc. So maybe some of that has trickled down to basketball. If that has come down to basketball and Musselman can go out there and get guys to come with NIL, then this could be something that really goes without a hitch if they can get it done quickly. But otherwise he's got to come back and recruit on the West Coast and you know he obviously everyone recruits on the West Coast to some extent and he's a West Coast guy. But he's still going to have to build those relationships, have the kind of relationships with high schools and teams and coaches that the infield staff has had in recent years, that they've built up. So that's going to be something to see if he can recruit from, if USC is going to go recruit from high school anymore or if they're just going to be purely a portal team.

Speaker 2: 16:01

Well, for this upcoming season, I think it. It's basically it's got to be the portal right, or else, yeah, we might not have a roster. Yeah, I would imagine.

Speaker 1: 16:11

I would imagine there's gonna be image yeah, well, if you look at, you know, if right now there's there's four available scholarships as it stands, and if those, if the the three freshmen don't come right, it's another seven. So you're looking at at least another seven. There might be more guys leaving. You're looking at, you know, probably between seven and nine transfers that are going to have to come in, and that's a lot of work to do Now. It could be that whoever comes brings some guys with him, from whatever team they're at, and that sort of helps a little bit because there's familiarity with some of them and and smooth, smoother transition, so to speak. Um, but yeah, so Musselman, we don't know if, if, if he's a realistic choice. Yet it's what people are talking about. We don't know if that's what Jen Cohen is looking at. There's a few other names out there. Uh, do you thoughts who else might get a look, or who else do you think should get a look?

Speaker 2: 17:09

It would have been nice if this had broken, maybe a couple of weeks earlier, and we could have grabbed Kyle Smith Right. Well, two weeks earlier would have been in the middle of the Pac-12 tournament.

Speaker 1: 17:20

Or Dusty May.

Speaker 2: 17:22

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 17:24

Who's now at Michigan?

Speaker 2: 17:26

I haven't seen Dusty May up close, you know, just in the tournament run. But you know Smith obviously runs a good scheme. He's got clearly an amazing eye for talent. For how many guys he brought in that, you know, weren't exactly top 100 recruits on that team.

Speaker 1: 17:40

Mm-hmm, yeah, going down the list of players out there, of coaches out there, I should say there seems to be there's like four categories. I would say that when you're hiring a basketball coach that you can go. You can go with the established coach at a major conference school, you can go with the up-and-coming mid-major, you can go with the coach who is no longer active but wants to get back into the game, or you can go out of the NBA. And then the fifth one is the up-and-coming assistant, right? So I would hope that USC is, uh, gonna try to shoot high for this, um, for this hire, because I think we're going to test that proposition. There's a lot of people saying that that we need someone who can get us to the next level and I think unless this is a coach that comes in and does better than Andy Enfield did, then it's going to be a failed hire. So I think, with that in mind, you probably can't go with the top assistant unless you just really have a really great vision coming from that guy. Probably the NBA coach is probably not going to fly because it's on-the-job training, getting used to the transfer portal, all that stuff, the recruiting that's something that sets you back a couple years probably. The recruiting that's. That's something that sets you back a couple years probably. Um. So that leaves the, the up-and-coming, um, the up-and-coming coach from the mid-major, the established coach, and then the coach who, who used to be a coach and is, you know, inactive and might want to get back in the game. So, with with the inactive coaches, you've got guys like Jay Wright, brad Stevens, guys like that we've talked about. I think those are highly unlikely.

Speaker 1: 19:50

I don't think USC is going to want to go with the rising mid-major. Again, andy Enfield was on a rising mid-major program and I think that doesn't always work out. With Enfield it worked out, and so I think they're going to want to go with something a little bit more, a little more of a sure thing. And then you get to the coach from a major program and, after Musselman, guys who you know could conceivably be considered as as coaches who could conceivably be torn away from their current teams, because this is, after all, kind of a transition year and you're looking at a bunch of uh, team coaches, maybe in this conference, the current conference. So, for example, tommy Lloyd of Arizona. One guy I don't want them to look at, but they might is Bobby Hurley of Arizona State. Oh my gosh, no, yeah, yeah, I think guys, like obviously guys. I think Scott Drew's not going to leave Baylor. It's certainly possible that the Boise State head coach.

Speaker 2: 21:07

Leon.

Speaker 1: 21:07

Rose I believe. Leon Rice sorry yeah he's.

Speaker 1: 21:13

You know he was a Gonzaga guy. He's done pretty well at Boise State. You know they've ended the tournament for three years in a row. They haven't gone very far in these tournaments, but it is Boise State. You know they've ended the tournament for three years in a row. They haven't gone very far in these tournaments, but it is Boise State. But he was a Gonzaga assistant for for 11 years. So he's he's old five in the tournament. I think you know he's the kind of guy that's going to be really hard to justify. But the other thing is when you're, when you're firing a coach which they you know they didn't fire andy, if they did fire him, you sort of like have the idea of who you're going to hire, like the like you already have the uh, the initiative. Right when he leaves, you're sort of caught a little bit flat-footed right are you?

Speaker 2: 22:01

well, I mean, or is it as a good ad prepared, as, as jd morgan would say, always have?

Speaker 1: 22:06

well, you always have a list well, you have the list, but but I'm talking about you haven't talked to those guys yet right, sure, okay but but if you're like, if you're about to fire andy, I think you put out, you probably put out little feelers ahead of time, sure? That's what I would think, or at at least you have the potential to like as soon as you fire him, go out and talk to somebody, yeah, okay, and then you've got. You know.

Speaker 2: 22:32

I can't believe. You said Bobby Hurley, by the way.

Speaker 1: 22:33

Well he's an example of a guy I don't like. I would just brought him up as a guy. You know, tad boyle, another guy that you know he's.

Speaker 2: 22:45

He really is a a midlands type guy, colorado kansas kind of guy? I don't think he'd be.

Speaker 1: 22:47

Yeah, yeah, you're making a rough day worse bell yeah, I know, I know, um, now, I was thinking you could either get a west coast guy, but you could also try to get someone who's kind of familiar with the big 10 and the midwest. Uh, greg m, greg McDermott Creighton could be kind of a Midwest guy potentially. But you know, you start going down the list of coaches and there's really not a whole lot of coaches out there and this is what people don't realize, I think these USC fans don't realize. When you're looking at college basketball you have the guys Mark Few's not coming to USC, right, bill Self's not coming to USC. After that you've got a bunch of guys with intermittent levels of success. You know Kelvin Sampson's not coming to USC. He's 69 years old. Maybe Brad Underwood of Illinois could be a guy that might be justifiable to bring in. Jerome Tang we've talked about him before. I don't think he has a long enough resume of success to really justify it, they still might do it.

Speaker 1: 23:58

To really justify it, they still might do it. You might get in a situation where, because of Andy leaving, this may be bad timing for USC and they may not have a great pool of people to choose. Shaka Smart from Marquette would be a great hire, but I think he's already done the big spotlight you know the kind of the big spotlight school like, like Texas, yeah, didn't do well at Texas. I don't think he, you know, I think he's in the perfect spot of Marquette.

Speaker 2: 24:31

Yeah, he seems to love it there.

Speaker 1: 24:33

Yeah, you know, I think you know you look at someone like Penny Hardaway who I would be, I think, a horrible hire, um, but he's one of those guys that's, you know, could probably get pulled away, uh, if he really wanted to. Um, there's just, there's just not a ton of guys who you look at them and say, yeah, that's a guy who's definitely going to take usc to a level beyond what Andy Anfield did. Porter Moser for Oklahoma, I mean he did very well at Loyola Chicago, got to the Final Four, but he's not really tearing it up at Oklahoma either. And Oklahoma's a place where you can win big at Oklahoma, right, and he's 54 and 45 in three years at Oklahoma. And that's a classic case of Oklahoma. Took the up-and-coming mid-major coach and it didn't work out.

Speaker 2: 25:37

Yeah, I'd say TBD, but there's definitely some stuff that needs to be proven there.

Speaker 1: 25:43

Yeah, I mean he just hasn't. He hasn't this past year. I mean they've never finished higher than seventh in the Big 12. And he hasn't been to the tournament three years at the tournament. So I think that three years should be enough to get to the tournament at Oklahoma Because he didn't take over a program, you know, in the dumps, you know.

Speaker 2: 26:02

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 26:08

They were strong enough to. Yeah, you know they could get really wild and go hire Steve Picchiel from Rutgers and get him to bring his recruiting class with them. They have two of the top five guys coming in the number one player overall. So yeah, I mean that could be a weird gambit, but he has not done very well at Rutgers either, but he did do pretty well at Stony Brook. And then you know, there's Brian Dutcher of San Diego State, but he's getting up there. He's 64 in age, I think he's probably not too old, but he's getting up there. He's 64 in age, I think he's probably not too old, but he seems pretty comfortable at San Diego State. You know, and you just work your way down the list, and the guy who I don't think there's any perfect hire, but the guy that still just sticks out the most, is definitely Musselman. Any other thoughts on just this whole proposition?

Speaker 2: 27:06

Sarcastically, a couple couple names you left out uh steve alford and uh mike hopkins, just to cross that off the list why not?

Speaker 1: 27:12

why not steve laden?

Speaker 2: 27:14

um, yeah, I saw that floated on twitter already west coast guy yeah, um leon rice. I you know I could make a case for it, but I'm not um, I'm not the. What do I want to say? Uh, I'm not the hit or miss. I could just bail on galen in a second fan um you know, so that that would, as you say, might not be the easiest sell in the world, although I'd I'd be good with it.

Speaker 1: 27:42

Yeah, how about, um, how about Greg guard of Wisconsin?

Speaker 2: 27:50

You know, I think when, when, um, when the fans are kind of glad to see him go, um, that that kind of tells me a lot. Um, I don't know how his style really would translate either in terms of recruiting. I do have a, and I should just shame on me for even coming up with this, but Skye quits himself every time that he faces us. Well, and it would be like a plan C break glass in case of emergency hire. So he's clearly not on, you know, not on path A or path B. Russell Turner, you could do worse.

Speaker 1: 28:33

Where's Russell Turner? I can't remember.

Speaker 2: 28:34

At Irvine.

Speaker 1: 28:36

You know what? Yeah, that's right, I had written down his name. You're right, he is an emergency kind of break glass hire. Yeah, you know what? Yeah, that's right, I had I had written down his name. You're right, he is a. He is an emergency kind of break glass hire. Um, yeah, I I do like that name as far as a possibility. I I don't think it's the ideal hire, but it doesn't pack galen, but doesn't pack galen. Yeah, it's not a.

Speaker 2: 28:54

He won't win the press conference his yeah and I, I give a. I don't give two craps about that.

Speaker 1: 29:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 29:01

I think that's severely overrated. Oh, I agree, but then again. I don't win the athletic department, but let me pull him up real quick here.

Speaker 1: 29:09

Yeah, he's won 289 games, lost 180. So he's got a pretty good record for UCI. I think he's finished first in the conference like eight times. So yeah, he's been pretty successful.

Speaker 2: 29:29

You know, wins 20 games almost every year, yeah and it's not like they had any support at all there. Before he came on board, they cycled through a lot of guys that just you know were complete whiffs yeah um, he'd want the job too, I'm sure um oh, I'm sure he'd take the job in a second I've, I've got a name here that you didn't mention and I kind of just stumbled into him in another context and and it would be a huge swing.

Speaker 1: 30:04

I know what you're going to say.

Speaker 2: 30:05

Oh really.

Speaker 1: 30:06

I think so Give me his initials MC.

Speaker 2: 30:10

Nope, Okay, go ahead. Tj O, TJ O. Actually he coached at UNLV, you might remember. So it's not like he's adverse to the time zone at least yeah. I don't know. Do you think it seems crazy at first and there's not the support at USC as there is at Iowa State, but do you think he sees a path where he could actually, like you know, win the Big 12, even Maybe? But how much more Do you think there's more upside at USC with him than at Iowa State?

Speaker 1: 30:47

Good question. I mean, I think, if he's going to be moving into it, I mean he'd be able to bring his recruiting connections over to the Big 10 a bit. But yeah, that's a good question. That's an interesting name for sure. Um uh I think, that uh, give me t t uh, tj, atzelberg, you mean yes yeah, yeah, um, I mean the guys I stumped I mean, yeah, I think he, I think he'd be a good hire um is he gettable?

Speaker 1: 31:29

I don't know, I think seems like he'd be gettable but he sort of falls under. He's not a, he's obviously not in a in a mid-major, but but he sort of falls under the like. Most USC fans would be like who, right Again, no again, I don't care about that. I'm just saying that, like you know, most recruits would be like who. So that's unfortunately, you know, oftentimes part of the motivation behind hiring coaches. Another guy, sean Miller, who I wouldn't like to have come. I'm not a fan of his style. He certainly seems like he he could be available, but the guy I was thinking would be a kind of out of the box pick is Mick Cronin.

Speaker 2: 32:15

You're doing this two podcasts in a row and I still haven't really have a good rip post day. Are you serious with this?

Speaker 1: 32:22

I mean I'm semi-serious, I guess I mean if USC could get him, he'd be a good hire. Yeah, I mean I don't think he would. I don't think this would be. I mean I don't know he would. I don't think this would be. I mean, I don't know, he is a Midwest guy. I think it would be a weird situation. But I don't think that's a serious proposal.

Speaker 1: 32:54

Okay, yeah so just looking at all this, I mean Musselman makes the most sense. He kind of checks a lot of boxes, he's a hot shot coach, he's had some big success, he's been in the NBA, he knows how to get the transfer portal, he's a West Coast guy and USC's. You know, if SMU did pay the payout to USC for Andy Anfield, usc's going to have some extra money left over and also USC's going to the Big Ten. So this might be the chance to really swing for the fences.

Speaker 2: 33:29

Yeah, I'm wondering if we're maybe just selling the new athletic director a bit short and maybe, you know, I'll put it this way she's been, she's not screwing around, she, she basically, and I don't know if this is her or her orders, but whatever you know. However, we got there. She sees us as as a major athletic program and yeah you know, I wouldn't be surprised if she, you know, pulls something out of the hat that we're just not even considering.

Speaker 1: 34:05

Yeah, all right. Well, that's enough speculation for now about who USC might hire should Andy Enfield take the SMU job. We will monitor the situation and certainly come up and record another pod once we find out if Andy Enfield does indeed take the SMU job and if and when USC begins their coaching hunt. It certainly will be interesting. We haven't had a coaching hunt at USC basketball in 11 years, so it will be interesting. Mark, I'm going to say fight on and let you close it out.

Speaker 2: 34:34

Thank you. As always, everyone fight on.